OBAMA HEALTH CARE THE DIRTY LITTLE SECRET

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**** Starting on Page 425 and continue on in Obama’s health care bill, the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years. ****
And HERE IS THE FULL TEXT of the Socialized Medicine PDF file

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READ, DOWNLOAD, PASS OUT THE PDF FILE - SAVE YOUR LAST BREATH:
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com...ext-071409.pdf

Just click on the PDF file, let it load and scroll down to page 425 and continue on from there regarding this topic.</STRONG>

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There is a tremendous amount of money at stake in the healthcare business. In fact, it has become all about the business of healthcare and not so much about the "care" part of healthcare. While the right claims a single payer healthcare system will ruin medical care in this country and the left claims it will be the be-all and end-all solution, the truth probably lies somewhere in between. Currently, some of the reasons it costs so much for treatment is that a large amount of the costs go to sustain high profitability of the business, to pay exorbitant executive salaries, to support big pharma and to offset the treatment of those without healthcare. Single payer gains economics of scale, eliminates the excesses of greed and ensures coverage for everyone. This country should strive not for the best medical care money can buy, but for the best medical care, period.

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With all of the lies and back door deals the libs have done in just a few months, this is the biggest loser idea yet. Obama says the private insurance industry will ruin our economy but he is just backwards as this yet another take over by the government will truly break the economy forever. Welcome to the Obama communist take over. Yet another bad idea for the people but more control by the government

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The Big Obamacare Lie AN OPINION PIECE EMAILED TO ME

Posted: 24 Jul 2009 08:43 AM PDT

Charles Krauthammer hits the nail right on the head with his Washington Post column titled "Why Obamacare Is Sinking."

It all comes down to the one big lie about Obamacare that the public was fed and that is that it would control costs, help the economy and when that lie was exposed, publicly, with the Congressional Budget Office itself making it clear that pending legislation does nothing to control costs or spending, the public finally understood the lie, became aware of how huge that original lie was and support for Obamacare started dwindling, even within the president's own party.

Wapo:

What happened to Obamacare? Rhetoric met reality. As both candidate and president, the master rhetorician could conjure a world in which he bestows upon you health-care nirvana: more coverage, less cost.

But you can't fake it in legislation. Once you commit your fantasies to words and numbers, the Congressional Budget Office comes along and declares that the emperor has no clothes.
President Obama premised the need for reform on the claim that medical costs are destroying the economy. True. But now we learn -- surprise! -- that universal coverage increases costs. The congressional Democrats' health-care plans, says the CBO, increase costs on the order of $1 trillion plus.

In response, the president retreated to a demand that any bill he sign be revenue-neutral. But that's classic misdirection: If the fierce urgency of health-care reform is to radically reduce costs that are producing budget-destroying deficits, revenue neutrality (by definition) leaves us on precisely the same path to insolvency that Obama himself declares unsustainable.

Read the rest as well as one of the major problems with the medical profession and how Congress, the Senate nor the President is addressing those problems at all in the present proposals.

Joe Biden himself might have added one of the nails into the coffin that was Obamacare, in it's present form, when he tried to justify the costs associated with Obamacare as it is written:

“And folks look, AARP knows and the people with me here today know, the president knows, and I know, that the status quo is simply not acceptable,” Biden said at the event on Thursday in Alexandria, Va. “It’s totally unacceptable. And it’s completely unsustainable. Even if we wanted to keep it the way we have it now. It can’t do it financially.”

“We’re going to go bankrupt as a nation,” Biden said.

“Now, people when I say that look at me and say, ‘What are you talking about, Joe? You’re telling me we have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt?’” Biden said. “The answer is yes, that's what I’m telling you.”

Anyone who has ever had to live on a budget knows you cannot save money by spending more, massively more, than you have in the bank.

There are many things set into this bill that the public is finally finding out about and starting to reject, which is why the ObamaPUSH for Obamacare has been going balls-out, he wanted this passed with Congress and the Senate before people got wind of all the little ins and outs that would costs the American people more money than they ever imagined.

In yet another Washington Post piece, we see the original heading of "Washington Sketch: Has Senate Building Become Funeral Home …" yet when you click the link the title is now "In the Hart Building, Reform's Pulse Weakens," it explains that it is not just the American public rejecting the costs and policies of Obamacare but the politicians, understanding their political careers are on the line, are also rejecting many of the pieces of the bill.

Two hours earlier, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) had delivered the bad news: The Senate would not be taking up health legislation before the August recess because Baucus (D-Mont.) and his fellow negotiators (three Democrats and three Republicans in all) needed more time. Moments before that, a meeting of Senate Democrats had dissolved in acrimony.

Things were no better on the House side of the Capitol, where a committee writing health-care legislation again suspended its meeting Thursday because of disagreements, and a gathering of the House Democratic caucus deteriorated into what the third-ranking Democrat called one of the "most contentious" he had ever seen.

It is beginning to look like this bill will not be voted on in the Senate and possibly not even the House before their August recess, despite Pelosi's pushing, which gives voters time to make their voices heard, clearly and loudly and consistently.

The Aug. 7 deadline that President Obama set for House and Senate leaders to move their versions of reform served as a vital tool for congressional leaders in minimizing dissent as the $1 trillion package moved through five committees. But with their hopes of reaching that target date slipping in recent days, a torrent of complaints and concerns began to surface.

The comments by Reid (D-Nev.) confirmed the growing consensus on Capitol Hill that the White House's fast-track approach has failed, and that a more plodding and contentious process has taken hold. Not only would the Senate not meet Obama's timeline for passing a bill, but across the Capitol, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was struggling to quell an uprising by conservative Democrats that had brought House action to a near halt.

As I have provided before, below is how to contact your Senator and your congressman.

In theory, just saying we would like every American covered by health insurance is a dream come true, no one is against all Americans having access to health care, but in reality, the government cannot afford to pay for it, neither can the American people.

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Thank God for people like Betsy who've READ the damn bill!! This is Hitlerian as can be. Thankfully, it's awakened the sleeping giant, and the PEOPLE are taking it to the politicians! Stick it to 'em! If it's so damn great a plan, they should lead by example and sign on, then show us how great it is when they get cancer, or need a hernia operation, or kidney transplant, etc. This is BULLSHIT and we're not gonna swallow it! They can!

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